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一 |     墨士廉与家人合照。

二 |     Russia is represented by a diplomatic delegation led by Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov. According to Lyudmila Vorobieva, Russia’s ambassador to the Southeast Asian nation, so far Indonesia has been successful in creating a platform for inclusive dialogue within the G20.,Sputnik: There have been calls from the West to ban Russia from the G20 because of Moscow’s special military operation in Ukraine, but Indonesian officials have underlined that Russia is still welcome to participate in the Group of Twenty meetings, which have been going on since the beginning of the year, and the summit scheduled for November. How important is the G20 for Indonesia, and what is the atmosphere like at the meetings?,Lyudmila Vorobieva: Of course, the G20 presidency is important for Indonesia as it's raising the profile of Indonesia, which actually is one of the leading countries in the Muslim world, and a former APEC leader. And now Indonesia is chairing the G20. And it's very important that Indonesia is making the voice of developing countries heard in the G20, and in the world, and representing the interests of the developing countries. And from the very beginning, our country has supported the Indonesian G20 presidency and the priorities that have been identified by Indonesia, which are very relevant to the global economic and financial situation. We appreciate the position of the Indonesian government that it is a forum that should be inclusive and that should concentrate on the economic and financial agenda and not drag in political issues that are divisive. So far the Indonesian presidency has been successful. There have been a lot of meetings already in different areas and Russia has been participating actively in these meetings, and that's our intention so far.,Sputnik: Moscow is very far away from Jakarta, but there are at least a few local NGOs that are friendly towards Russia. Some of them, such as the Gagarin Regiment and the Asian African Youth Government, openly express support for Russia’s special military operation in Ukraine. Why is that?,Lyudmila Vorobieva: What we see here in Indonesia is that according to the polls, 80% of the population of Indonesia support Russia. There is a trend in the social media that people use “ura” (Russian war cry – Sputnik Ed.) to express their support for Russia. There are several reasons for that. First of all, of course, there are some anti-Western feelings, and anti-colonial feelings as well. The colonial past of Indonesia is still quite fresh in the memory of people and the atrocities committed by the Dutch colonizers are also quite fresh in the memories and in the hearts of Indonesian people. The second reason, I would say, is the personal popularity of our president here. President Putin is a leader that many Indonesians admire and would like to see him visiting Indonesia in the near future. And the third reason, I would say, is that Indonesians are aware that Russia has a big Muslim population, which are not immigrants - they are people who have been living in Russia for centuries, and they support the policy of President Putin. So, the combination of these reasons influenced the feelings of Indonesians towards Russia, and towards what we are doing in Ukraine.,Sputnik: Indonesia is a nation that has chosen an independent approach to the issue of sanctioning Russia by refusing to follow orders from Western countries. What are the areas in which Moscow and Jakarta cooperate economically, and which projects might we see developing in the near future?,Lyudmila Vorobieva: Last year, we saw more than 40% growth in trade turnover between Russia and Indonesia. And this year the trend is also very positive, with growth of more than 60%. Of course, it is not enough, we can do much more. But if the trend continues, we will reach five billion US dollars in trade turnover by the end of this year. This target was set by our presidents when they met in Sochi in 2016. We have joint investment projects. We can do much more, but that has been successfully going on. One of the projects is the construction of an oil refinery in Java, exploration and exploitation of oil and gas fields. There are success stories, such as an IT company that operates online service called Taxi Maxim in Indonesia, covering more than 60 cities in Indonesia. We are also discussing with our Indonesian partners more projects in energy, in shipbuilding, aircraft building, IT, pharmaceuticals, health care, and many others.,Indonesian NGO Head Backs Russia’s G20 Participation, President Putin’s Attendance at Bali Summit28 May, 09:03 GMT,Sputnik: At the end of June, when Indonesian leader Joko Widodo visited Moscow, Russian President Vladimir Putin said that there is a possibility of Indonesia developing relations with the Eurasian Economic Union – an economic bloc which consists of Russia, Uzbekistan, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, and several other nations which represent Europe and Asia. Are there any concrete details on how Jakarta reacted to this proposal?,Lyudmila Vorobieva: Well, absolutely. It's a process that has already been going on. In 2018, the Indonesian government signed a Memorandum of Understanding with the Eurasian Commission on cooperation. We established a working group to explore the possibility of entering negotiations on a free trade agreement. The result was positive and we hope that by the end of the year we will start the negotiation process on establishing a free trade zone between the Eurasian Economic Union and Indonesia.。左起：大舅、外公丁来安、外婆陈亚妹 、 墨士廉、母亲丁慧卿、父亲Valentin Maeder。后排左起：弟弟Valentin Jr和表妹。（图：吕思娴）在外人眼中礼貌谦卑、平易近人、懂多种语言，言行举止大方得体，一点都不像是只有17岁的我国奥运铜牌得主墨士廉，在家人眼中是个怎样的孩子？他的母亲又为何坚持在家里讲华语？我国水翼风筝板好手墨士廉（Maximilian Maeder）于13日从巴黎奥运会回国后，就马不停蹄地参与庆祝活动和签名会，望穿秋水的外公外婆想要好好地跟外孙墨士廉吃顿饭都不容易。

三 | 《8视界新闻网》于星期六（24日）和墨士廉一家进行家庭专访时，外婆陈亚妹就笑着透露，自墨士廉回国后，截至星期六那天，她只见过外孙墨士廉三次，而且外孙每次都是“一下子就不见了。”当天早上，墨士廉一走进大门，外公外婆都非常兴奋，眼睛为之一亮。

外公外婆：好品格是最重要的

    对于两位老人家而言，不论子女选择做什么事情，品格始终是最重要。陈亚妹就告诉记者，自己一向很民主，不会干涉子孙，只要他们不做犯法的事就行了。

四 | 在访谈的过程中，墨士廉的外公丁来安也不断提到品德培养的重要性。这也就是为什么他给外孙取了“墨士廉”这个名字。外公丁来安说，墨士廉这个华文名字除了根据他的英文名字Maximilian寻找灵感外，还经过深思熟虑后才诞生的。丁来安解释：“中国有一个哲学家叫做墨子，我就把他取为‘墨’。‘士’（代表的）就是学者，就是有学问的人。

五 | ‘廉’应该是品德，（代表）廉洁。所以我想这个名字给他以后，他应该会向这方面去发展。”墨士廉（中）小时候与两位弟弟 Karl（左）和 Valentin Jr. 合照。（图：Valentin Maeder）不要问国家可以为你做什么，而要问你自己能够为国家做什么。

美国已故前总统肯尼迪

    说起墨士廉，丁来安满是骄傲，对外孙赞不绝口。

六 | 他表示，墨士廉虽然是没有受过传统的教育，但是非常能干，懂得多种语言，而且谦虚、亲民。丁来安说：“美国已故前总统肯尼迪曾经说过：‘不要问国家能为你做什么，要问你自己能够为国家做什么。’现在我们新加坡的墨士廉实现了他这个名言。”获得两届水翼风筝板世界冠军的墨士廉，于本月9日国庆日那天在巴黎奥运会上，摘下男子水翼风筝板铜牌，为我国赢得64年来第六面奥运奖牌，也是2024年巴黎奥运我国代表队赢得的唯一奖牌。墨士廉也成为新加坡历史上最年轻的奥运奖牌得主。墨士廉为我国夺下一面奥运铜牌。（图：路透社）

母亲：儿子“怕输”

    当记者问他们会如何形容墨士廉时，外公外婆都异口同声地说墨士廉是个有才华的孩子。最小的弟弟九岁的Valentin Jr. 就说，墨士廉是个奇迹，并表示他是一名好哥哥。母亲丁慧卿直言不讳表示，儿子“怕输”，不喜欢做第二名。至于父亲Valentin Maeder，就以福建话“Swee”（“美”的意思）来形容儿子做事的态度。墨士廉说，自己是为了取得进步而学习，而不是为了达到某个标准或成绩而学习，这样就会学得很开心。（图：Valentin Maeder）

让孩子探索各种运动 寻找自己的兴趣

    墨士廉从小就接触各种运动。他的母亲丁慧卿表示，墨士廉尝试过游泳、乒乓、骑脚踏车、滑雪等各种运动，为的只是要让他接触多一些运动，有多一些选择，不受局限。“因为你如果没有选择的话，你只是做一样东西，你不知道你喜不喜欢别的东西。”被问及自己为何对水翼风筝板情有独钟时，墨士廉也难以解释为何那么喜爱这项运动。“我一踏上水翼板的那一刻，我就知道这是我最喜欢做的运动。

七 | ”他补充，自己接触过那么多种运动，只有在水面上滑行会让他有种说不出的特别感。墨士廉的父母透露，孩子如果对一件事感兴趣的话，你自然而然就会知道的。“他做别的运动的时候，他没有要求说要再做多一次。可是这个水翼风筝板呢，他自动说‘我要去做’，那你就知道孩子有兴趣了。孩子没有兴趣的东西他不会再提，他有兴趣他就会很积极。”墨士廉六岁开始学习水翼风筝板。（图：Valentin Maeder）

学习是为了进步 非要达到某个成绩

    墨士廉的父亲是瑞士人，母亲是新加坡人，墨士廉懂多种语言。

八 | 他在家中会用瑞士德语与父亲沟通，和母亲则是以华语沟通，英语是自学的。母亲丁慧卿说，为了能够和外公外婆交流、沟通，孩子们必须要懂得讲华语。

九 | “我绝对要他跟我的爸爸妈妈沟通。如果你要跟他们沟通，你必须要用他们的语言。因为我们经常来新加坡，然后来了新加坡，我们是一个华人家庭，他如果连那个语言都不会，他听不懂，他哪里有兴趣去参加你的活动？我爸爸常说家庭要团结，要在一起。那你连语言都不懂，你要跟他怎么团结在一起呢？”墨士廉坦言，学习语言并不是一件容易的事，你需要下很多功夫。不过，重点在于，你要在没有压力的情况下学习。

十 | 他解释，自己是为了取得进步而学习，而不是为了达到某个标准或成绩而学习，这样就会学得很开心。

十一 | 丁慧卿补充：“你学（华语）的目标不是为了成绩，而是为了进步。当你很开心地学一样东西的时候，你就会更积极地去学。因为是你自己要进步。”

曾带孩子到少林寺

    丁慧卿育儿的方式有些奇特，也非常用心。陈亚妹就透露，丁慧卿曾经带孩子们到中国河南的少林寺住几个星期。丁慧卿曾经带孩子们到中国河南的少林寺住几个星期。（图：Valentin Maeder）丁慧卿解释，除了让他们以华语跟他人沟通，加强语文能力之外，带他们到少林寺的目的也是为了让他们强身健体，以及了解自己有多幸福。

庆幸能够在家自学

    墨士廉和两个弟弟都是在家自学（homeschool）的，没有接受传统的教育。这让他可以更容易地进行训练，参加比赛等。

    

那他们究竟是如何自学的呢？

    Valentin Maeder解释，所谓的“在家自学”不一定代表是待在家中学习，可以在他们旅游的时候教他们不同的事物。丁慧卿则表示：“我们没有一个课程，他们去到哪里就学什么。去到什么地方就学有关当地的地理、历史、人物。什么都可以学的嘛。”丁慧卿认为，比起内容，更重要的是教孩子如何思考。“思考的方式比你的内容还要重要。如果你教他那个思考方式，内容只不过是一个过程而已。

十二 | ”墨士廉和两个弟弟都是在家自学。母亲丁慧卿表示：“我们没有一个课程。去到什么地方就学有关当地的地理、历史、人物。

十三 | （图：Valentin Maeder）被问及会否觉得自己没有上传统学校而错过了些什么，比如跟其他同龄青少年一起上学，在校园里交朋友等，他回答的成熟度，再次令人觉得超乎他的实际年龄。墨士廉表示，自己非常庆幸能够在家自学，而且自己看到的并不是自己没有体验过什么，而是自己得到了什么样的体验。他解释，自己看到的是自己能够以这样的方式，在学习的同时也有机会训练和参加比赛，这是他更想要的旅程。他表示，自己接下来会继续训练，继续参加比赛，继续学习，尽可能不断地自我突破。

十四 | 墨士廉（右二）与父母和二弟合照。（图：Valentin Maeder）墨士廉小时候会参与雪地风筝运动。（图：Valentin Maeder） 墨士廉（左二）与父母和两个弟合照。（图：Valentin Maeder）墨士廉小时候曾参与雪地风筝运动。

十五 | （图：Valentin Maeder）（图：Valentin Maeder）。

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